1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 They're right there, in that... that thing. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Well, let me put it this way—I just want one thing. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:14,000 It's not that cliché thing a film crew and film would do—I don't want that. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:20,000 So I'm making this thing; it's an arrival. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,000 And it truly contains many possibilities. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:33,000 So it can't be shot with a script, using that method. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 You can have a script, but it doesn't matter. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 It's up to the director, up to all of us. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Any script will do. 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 But not just any script I'm acting in. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Not[unclear], I think this script is great. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 It actually talks about this thing, reason and logic. 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Is that Vern A? Vern A. 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Yeah. 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 You're Vern A, then see if you want to write it yourself. 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:15,000 So I'll schedule some time to talk with you soon. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Also, about the Free Wind character? 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Forget Free Wind, forget Free Wind. 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Do you think Free Wind's bad? 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 How do you feel about Free Wind? 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,000 You'll think of Free Wind because of Free Wind—I think that's it. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000 When it appears, it already exists. 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Saying it doesn't exist is impossible. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,000 What it's called doesn't matter at all. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Free Wind then. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 It's not the second time it's had this event. 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Should it have eaten its life or something? 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,000 That's really weird, not specifically coming back, but also inviting me to eat. 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 This weirdness is. 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 There's nothing, it doesn't connect with me. 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 This weirdness is the weirdness we know. 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,000 No, Free Wind hasn't come back, it hasn't contacted me either. 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 It just doesn't happen, it's a really weird thing. 34 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 It's a woman, really a woman, in her forties. 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:23,000 I know, but this weirdness, it still has to be visualized. 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It won't be sewn up unless you keep using it. 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 I'll keep using it. 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,000 I might not call it Free Wind, but I think that Ning View is always there. 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 And that Ning View is what finally does this. 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Ning View doesn't necessarily have to be called Ning View, it's just a monitor, or an unseen perspective. 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,000 No photographer's viewpoint lens, that's Ning View. 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Yeah, then why not call it Free Wind? 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 So you'd name the monitor Free Wind? 44 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 No monitor, no monitor, just a camera. 45 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,000 But it's live-streaming, external-facing, an external-facing camera. 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 That's not not naming it, just placing it right there. 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Or saying it, it's watching, it, Free Wind suddenly feels really awkward to me, 48 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 It's a bit awkward, I feel a bit awkward. 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 That person, that person. 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Yes, that person. 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 If the brother wants to step back, the brother can be that person. 52 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Anyway, anyway, whoever people say is watching, that's the one, whoever is watching behind, say that person. 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Never mind, does he know what that person is? We know which that person, yes, yes. 54 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 And that's definitely a person, a future person. 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Yes. 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 What do you think? 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Yes. 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 I think it's okay. 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,000 I feel like it's either effortless or I can't do it. 60 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 No problem. 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 No problem. 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Can't do it is fine. 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 I know. 64 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 None of this is a problem, I can handle all of this. 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Just relax. 66 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Actually, what am I now certain of? 67 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,000 I'm certain that this is a good documentary. 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 That's also true. 69 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 A turn, A turn, I can definitely say it's a good documentary. 70 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Or no matter what, I can edit it into a good documentary. 71 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 That's enough. 72 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,000 It's like whether the movie comes out or not, that's one thing, I want to take a surprise. 73 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 That, for me, [unclear]? 74 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 I want the movie. 75 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 I want the movie. 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Okay. 77 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:50,000 This is what we shot this year. 78 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 After this is done, we'll write another script and shoot again. 79 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Yes, yes, yes. 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,000 No, no, no, I mean A's part is finished. 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 We wrote a script based on this documentary and then made the movie. 82 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Once this part is done, we'll try the locations we mentioned. 83 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:05,600 Okay. 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,720 We'll write a script. 85 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,500 We'll find actors to perform. 86 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:08,300 Nothing said. 87 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:09,200 We won't do it. 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,820 No, no. 89 00:05:09,820 --> 00:05:10,920 Okay. 90 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,120 We'll write a long script. 91 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,040 Okay. 92 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,160 Just come and act. 93 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:14,620 Okay. 94 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:15,080 Okay? 95 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Okay. 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,960 Okay. 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,580 OK 98 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:19,580 I'm taking over the universe, right? 99 00:05:19,580 --> 00:05:20,240 This isn't called 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Yes 101 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,040 Yes 102 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,880 But still 103 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,000 But I still think there should be a movie 104 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,920 You know what I mean? 105 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,360 I know 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,220 It's a script that's also a movie 107 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:33,080 You know what you mean by movie 108 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Movie language 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,840 I, I'll say this to Qingshan tomorrow 110 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,840 It's a film with movie language 111 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,740 It's not a commercial film 112 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:42,960 Commercial films lack movie language 113 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:49,600 Why 114 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:56,080 I, I, I'll give an example 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,840 I thought of an outside 116 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:03,640 Just rehearsing makes it hard to detect 117 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,920 It's also possible to detect 118 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Just as we were filming the actors 119 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,520 We split up to shoot 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,840 They left this room 121 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,240 I I was the day before 122 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,800 I'm inside the big one 123 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,800 What I want to say is 124 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,440 The last film you came up with is an image 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,760 It should be very simple 126 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,840 It it can't be that you still need to like you do 127 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,440 Or like Cao Jiansong 128 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 About his thing you still need to think about for half a day 129 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,720 To make people understand 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,720 First add a bit 131 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Our budget is almost zero 132 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,400 So this thing needs to be even simpler 133 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,840 Like those low-budget 134 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:47,680 We've seen new things 135 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,640 Like we previously showed you 136 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,840 Like some things 137 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,080 Han Jia 138 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,560 And Erbo Tesala 139 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,160 And like the one mentioned earlier 140 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,080 And André's Golden Dinner 141 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Those things also have very low costs 142 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Then what they're doing 143 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,040 Can be explained in one sentence 144 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Han Jia just gathered a group of people 145 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,320 A numb, mimicking performance stance 146 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Writing one is also simple 147 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,040 A small script with a hint of [unclear] 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,080 His script isn't actually that important 149 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Then Brecht's [unclear] 150 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,480 He just randomly picked an amateur 151 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Let him act casually 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Follow [unclear] 153 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,520 But he wasn't based on a story 154 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,920 He had that person in a performance state 155 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,480 To act as [unclear] once 156 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Then they recorded 100 hours 157 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,640 Edited it down to two hours 158 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,920 Then Andrei's 'Common Dinner' as well 159 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,520 He found two people willing to speak 160 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,080 People who actually had a lot to say 161 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,680 He just let them speak 162 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Had them write down what they said 163 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Write it down into a script and perform it again 164 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,200 And that was it 165 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,120 First, I think art 166 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Art is like a power game 167 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,960 It's the audience that can articulate 168 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,960 What they've understood 169 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,720 That's the part the audience gets 170 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,000 If we're to create something like that 171 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Like Mr. Cao 172 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Or I'm going to dig into real film language now 173 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,760 I want the real thing 174 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,080 You dig for a lifetime 175 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,560 You dig up that thing 176 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,520 If you still can't dig it up 177 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,880 Of course I'd succeed if I did 178 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,080 The way it succeeds is actually 179 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,680 It moves you personally 180 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:42,360 It's successful to you personally 181 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Yeah 182 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,520 All these things I'm thinking about I feel they can move me 183 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,560 Right, right 184 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,040 So I think what you were saying about anti 185 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Director-centered stuff 186 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,080 To a large extent causes many misunderstandings 187 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,280 You don't need to oppose director-centric 188 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,040 I think what you need to do fastest now 189 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,040 What you need to do now is 190 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Be a dictatorial director 191 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,120 Push what you want directly 192 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,560 Hire hired hands to do those things 193 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,360 Including the documentary he wants to make 194 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,680 Isn't it from the perspective of a documentary director 195 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,600 He films things like 510 196 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Actually the real director 197 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,160 Is a dictatorial creator 198 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,840 He only understands this 199 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,560 Can he do it 200 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,480 Otherwise what you want—equal co-creation 201 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,600 Can only be a bunch of people endlessly arguing 202 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,720 But maybe they reach consensus 203 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,600 But it's still a dictatorial consensus 204 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,120 Then they recruit hired hands 205 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,360 To make what they thought of 206 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,960 If they keep being 207 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,720 A conflict-driven creative approach 208 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,800 They can't create what they want 209 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 The things they create will be difficult 210 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,200 Like your Fourth Day documentary 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,800 It's really just a dictatorial camera 212 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,760 Just one eye's perspective 213 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Standing there recording whatever material movement happens 214 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,320 His work is in him 215 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:22,480 What you say about his value is the meaning you assign to it 216 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,280 His own meaning doesn't matter 217 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,160 And he doesn't need any meaning 218 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,840 He is simply what he is 219 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,040 Only when you humans 220 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,640 Experience these things 221 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,200 The meaning you understand 222 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,880 The meaning you produce 223 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,960 Is what he means to you 224 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,560 You often oppose 225 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:51,200 Including watching you chatting in the Cartel group 226 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Honestly it's completely off the same channel 227 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,960 Your kind of exchange will just have them repeating themselves for a lifetime 228 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Everyone is just saying what they want to say 229 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:10,120 His exchange really meant nothing 230 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,680 Oh right, so what do we do 231 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,720 If you want to make this 232 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,360 You have to act dictatorial 233 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,440 Because what you create is very dictatorial 234 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Because you still want some kind of film about film 235 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,840 This thing is very dictatorial 236 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,280 You only have to do this 237 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,680 You can only make it this dictatorial way 238 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,680 Because what you're making is dictatorial 239 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:45,000 Right, so you're saying besides dictatorship 240 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000 No [unclear] 241 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 No, no 242 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Other things you make are also dictatorial 243 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 So everything is dictatorial 244 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 No non-dictatorial 245 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:01,000 You need to see my dictatorship as an unorganized field I haven't organized 246 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,000 You need to make this 247 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Whether you use time 248 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Or any action 249 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 This process 250 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 This I think needs to be done by you alone 251 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:31,000 You've already started acting 252 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 So you're asking Ammon 253 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 I've also acted 254 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 You're already acting 255 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 But I also feel I need you 256 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 You understand this dictatorship of mine 257 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 That's fine to say 258 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 I'm dictatorial 259 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 I need you 260 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 I know you've been acting too 261 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 But your action is just recruiting people 262 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 To seize one thing 263 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 This isn't film 264 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,000 This is why what you did before 265 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000 You also think it's not film 266 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 We also think it's not film 267 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Now you want to make film 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 You need to make a film 269 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 You just do it simply 270 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,000 That's why I'm asking you what film is 271 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 I came to ask you 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,000 I'm struggling too 273 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 I'm also struggling 274 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 I've been doing it for so long 275 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 I'm not capable enough to make it 276 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 So I'm asking you 277 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Ask everyone with all your ideas 278 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Tell me what film is 279 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,000 But what I can hold onto is 280 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000 I think it can't be that kind of film 281 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 I want a new film 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,000 What kind of film 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly written and fixed 284 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Exactly, exactly, you keep denying me 285 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 I come from this denial 286 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Through you, tell me what 287 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000 No, no, no 288 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Finally, I got what 289 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 I eventually got this thing 290 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Of course, it has to be through you telling me 291 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 No, no, no 292 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 You get that thing 293 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 You get that movie 294 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 It's still just a moving image with sound 295 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Yes, yes, that's it 296 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 No matter what the content of this thing is 297 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 It's still the same as the movies you oppose 298 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 They're all still the same kind of thing 299 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 What we need to do now is 300 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Make that image and sound 301 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Just do this simple thing 302 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,000 You don't need to pursue that 'real' thing you're after 303 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 If you don't shoot it 304 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 You can keep talking 305 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Keep opposing 306 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Right, so I need to make it 307 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Actually, actually, like 308 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Like the way we're shooting today 309 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 So I say you oppose that traditional movie method 310 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 It's mostly found 311 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 The most efficient way to make movies 312 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 I'm saying this to you 313 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 I get it, I understand 314 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 I get this 315 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 But my point is I want to say 316 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000 That thing can't be told with that efficient method 317 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Like those reverse shots, right? 318 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 We must think about it 319 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Think from that approach 320 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 No matter how you think 321 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 The images you end up shooting 322 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 They're still just one 323 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes 324 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:22,000 For example, 325 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 I'll just use that example 326 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Do you think 'Ice Fire Dragon Sword' counts as new? 327 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 I think it's new 328 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 And it tells something completely different 329 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 It also updates cinema 330 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 What I'm saying is, 331 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 You think it's new, 332 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Find a kid to watch 'Ice Fire Dragon Sword' movie 333 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 They don't get it 334 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Or, think about when you were a kid, 335 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Movies you couldn't understand 336 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 You'll understand them when you grow up 337 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Right, you need to wait until you grow up to understand it 338 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 The moment you understand it 339 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 You then create its meaning 340 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Otherwise, right now, 341 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 What kind of movie should I make, 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 A movie that you can only understand when you grow up 343 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 You just need to make a movie you can understand now 344 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 I'm going to make something like that 345 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 I can't make it for [unclear] 346 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 I absolutely won't make something kids can understand 347 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 No, no 348 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 What I mean is, 349 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Even if you made this now 350 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 To a 12- or 13-year-old 351 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 To that stuff 352 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Would it make sense to them 353 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Absolutely not 354 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 I want something 355 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 That they absolutely wouldn't get 356 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000 That they absolutely wouldn't get