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[Public-access note: background music in the recovered recording has been muted pending rights verification.]

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If I didn't have this e-cigarette, I'd smoke a pack and a half a day.

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Right. Smokers generally—if they have one of these, they smoke less than a pack a day.

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Without it, it's a pack and a half.

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So you're still using some tricks, huh?

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Yes, exactly. Even if you add a bit of this specific detail,

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it's better than this...

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If all three of you were the same person.

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Unless it's purely a monologue, like your play is just a monologue,

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I've seen something like that,

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where the first half is 20 minutes of a guy complaining about a woman,

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and the second half is 20 minutes of a woman complaining about a man,

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you either have to take it to the extreme.

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I know, I know, I know.

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Otherwise, this kind of thing, I just can't get into it,

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as an audience member,

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it's just a guy talking about all this nonsense.

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If you're imagining it as it's done, then...

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But the last scene, that last scene of yours,

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Take that host. Even someone like me—a Douyin user

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without much education—

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You just tell me about the population dividend and the population crisis,

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and we're going to pass a law.

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This just feels like a skit to me.

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It's like a play, right?

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If you imagine how it's supposed to be done at the beginning,

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how it's supposed to play out.

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You can try acting it out.

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No, I can't act it out, like...

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You do whatever, I haven't tried to feel how...

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I have an idea, I have an idea,

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The initial state, the initial state, is...

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There's no dialogue, nothing.

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Maybe right from the start, the male lead grabs the female lead,

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and drags her into a small dark room.

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It's just, you know,

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It's just a sudden thing that feels really abrupt.

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And from that point on, it's like,

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They drag that woman into the room.

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No matter what I'm doing, dragging her while pulling off her clothes,

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but I say nothing.

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Then?

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Then, it's like, this is the beginning, the beginning.

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Then, moving forward, it starts to show other scenes,

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other scenes can be shown, where they might drag her away.

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Just drag her straight away, from one side of the platform to the other.

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Right, and then after that, it's like,

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like, the matchmaking thing.

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Are you still thinking about the audience's experience?

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I'm not thinking about the audience's experience.

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Why do you think that?

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It's like he wants, you know, your,

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needs to tell the audience, needs to tell the audience, uh,

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We're starting.

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Not necessarily, not that we have to tell the audience we're starting.

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Not necessarily, no, no, not necessarily.

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Right, this is just one thing.

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Even the curtain hasn't even risen yet, I just dragged her away.

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Even from the audience...

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I could drag someone straight out.

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That's what I mean—this already turns it into an event.

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And it's very violent.

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So... have you seen The Square?

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Exactly, exactly, I can, I can roughly,

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roughly tell you about that,

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There's a part in the movie I think is really amazing,

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but I didn't understand it at first.

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There's a male lead in there, he comes on, he,

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he's actually an artist, he's doing a,

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performance, this performance is in a,

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restaurant full of people.

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Then, at first, the artist said,

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This artist is quite famous,

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Then he keeps imitating an ape.

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He said it's from a contemporary art perspective, then,

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When they were having dinner,

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suddenly the male lead suddenly appeared, really, like, like,

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He's completely like an ape, moving like this, like this,

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and it began, began.

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Then, at first, everyone thought, hey, this, this,

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this is just performance art, performance art.

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Then he suddenly started jumping onto the table, onto the table,

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After jumping onto the table,

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he was still very normal, like, for example, I came over,

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I touched you like this, touched you like this.

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Then, at this point, they still thought, hey,

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this is just performance art.

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Right, and then it went on.

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Then, then, then directly like this, touch, touch, after touching,

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After that, *thud*, they pinned the woman to the ground.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's right.

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This is it.

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Yes, this is it.

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Exactly, exactly.

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I think the initial state was like this.

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This, this, this.

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Just like this.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Yes, this, yes, this, yes.

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This is real now.

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This, this, this.

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You're talking about the details.

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This, this, this, that's it.

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Yes, this, this.

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I think, the initial state isn't like this.

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It wouldn't be like, like, like [inaudible],

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that Meng Jinghui kind of style. Right at the start, I—

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"I fell in love with a woman."

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Then this woman is named Mingming, and then what?

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What? What?

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So, in this world view,

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there will be many details and...

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So I, I, I understand what you mean.

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Yes, that's exactly it, that's exactly it.

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Suddenly, like, you just come from some...

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from the audience, maybe one of our actors or something.

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Suddenly, from the audience, drag a woman right over.

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At that moment, this situation might be very forceful.

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Very violent.

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It's very violent, and no one knows what's going on,

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or something like that.

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Then, well, it's probably this kind of situation that comes first,

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I don't know, maybe he's carrying some kind of.

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That is, that is, that's it, that's it.

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It's implying that this is something that happened between a man and a woman.

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That's it, that's it.

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He just knows that it's these two men,

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this man and this woman are how, how.

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Yes, this is the right starting point.

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Hmm.

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He must be like this, he must be like this.

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Yes.

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More and more Alice is coming out of the mirror,

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Pulling that Alice into it, from the mirror,

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When pulling her in, the one outside woke up,

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After waking up, she looked up, then looked down,

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Then she's no longer here, yes, she's not online anymore,

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The story ends here.

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This play is a play, right?

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It will exist in everyone's phones and minds at the scene,

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Of course, if you say 'mind,' yes, it's definitely there,

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The phone will send a text message, repeating just one sentence,

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But what that sentence is hasn't been decided yet, just one sentence,

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It keeps repeating, everyone present, including security, right?

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The theater's security, staff, and passersby,

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Everyone is saying this one sentence, and then it ends like this.

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Okay, let's get started now, let's talk about,

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Hmm, talk about whether you've been swept up, swept up, right? You have, don't you?

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Of course there is, talk about it, being swept up is like old thoughts,

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Old thoughts sweep up some very individual things,

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But the extent to which I've been swept up isn't very high,

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Because I'm a relatively self-centered person,

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Including I no longer have it now, recently, that nail art, including,

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Nail art, no, I can show you photos at the end,

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It can be edited in, then, uh,

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Then later, get your ears pierced and get a tattoo, then a tattoo,

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Check out your tattoo, uh, check out your tattoo, I just paid,

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Oh, I haven't started the tattoo yet, I just paid,

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This kind of thing, then, uh, these things are,

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Maybe the older generation or something,

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They see it as some very rebellious things, uh, yeah, yeah,

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Not part of these normal things, uh,

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So, I'm just more unconventional,

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I just step outside of these things,

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They basically can't hold me back, like when I came to Beijing,

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If I were heavily swept up in it,

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I probably wouldn't be carrying this now, uh,

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Are you a bit nervous? Not too bad, relax, hahaha,

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A bit nervous, not too bad, actually not too nervous, uh, uh,

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Tell me about why you came to Beijing,

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Why did you come to Beijing, come to Beijing, why did you come to act in this play,

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I've been preparing for a long time,

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I've been looking for opportunities to get into acting

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Like when I did ads before, and then acting too,

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It's like going from dreaming to creating dreams,

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a process of being immersed in the dream itself,

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Yeah, I'm someone who loves to dream a lot, including,

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I shouldn't always use 'including.' Like, take ads for example,

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and working on large-scale visual-merchandising projects and events,

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taking what's in my head and putting it into reality,

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and acting is about becoming part of it,

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wanting to become someone else, taking on another role,

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to live another life, another way of living,

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These things are basically impossible in real life,

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So this is the fundamental reason I'm here,

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I've been pursuing acting for quite some time,

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since I first started working, getting a job,

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when I first started my own company,

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That was the original intention; now and then I'd also work on children's plays,

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playing trees or rocks, it was kind of awkward,

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and this time I finally seized an opportunity,

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I can finally be part of this play.

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What do you think about theater?

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What do you think about theater?

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There's an old saying, 'Life is a play,' isn't there?

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Actually, theater is meant to reflect,

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to directly reflect things we commonly see,

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or even uncommon events. And theater,

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The word itself is really worth pondering.

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Aren't we all acting in life, or at work,

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in love, in a series of events,

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how many moments are there where we truly are ourselves?

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acting for bosses, acting for family,

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acting for all sorts of places,

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but theater is really fascinating.

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What do you think of the play 'Vortex'?

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What do you think of the play 'Vortex'?

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For the play 'Vortex,' are we spoiling it?

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Can't we spoil it?

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Sure, go ahead.

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That's the 'Vortex' scene,

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showing the tension between the male lead and multiple other characters,

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including the inner conflicts he faces with himself,

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you know?

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The 'Vortex' scene is more about,

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the setting it's based on, and I need to organize my thoughts,

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how to put it, organizing my words,

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the overall setting is built on the idea that a person can,

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if a person has no partner, they get reborn, then,

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yes, in such a social environment,

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then the most primal state of a person is triggered,

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unleashed.

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For some, it's, uh.

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longing, and not wanting to be reset, so they'll do anything,

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and others still maintain a high stance,

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yes, like Karla, even in this situation,

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even if life ends and resets, he won't lower himself,

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To blend into a lower tier, uh, one,

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This level, like in the 'Vortex' scene,

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Overall, it's quite realistic, and, uh.

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You could say it's chilling when you really think about it,

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It might be happening right around us,

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Then exaggerated to show it,

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It's like the pressure we asked about earlier,

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Then, a group of people swept along within an institution, and then,

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Showing different attitudes towards these issues.

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Uh, what do you think, like,

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Beifeng Theatre?

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What do you think of Beifeng Theatre?

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Hmm.

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Beifeng Theatre is pretty wild. Here,

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Even though we've only been in contact for a short time, like,

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Most everyone has met each other, then,

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Like our screenwriter, our various leads,

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We don't have a specific lead, but,

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But everyone's handling all the tasks, from all walks of life,

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More than I expected, the lineup was quite impressive,

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Really, there's all kinds of people, yet no one in particular,

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Like that thing, you know, that thing before,

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That "Mengzi" who went viral online, everyone laughs at Mengzi,

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Everyone's Mengzi, you know, everyone's just like that,

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Even in this scene, everyone's part of the whirlpool,

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And at the same time, we're also part of those who step out of the whirlpool,

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Speaking of Beifeng Theatre—Beifeng Theatre, uh,

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Unlike some other theatre companies,

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Because I've been involved with other groups, some doing comedy,

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Some doing stand-up comedy, like that stand-up group called Cao Tai,

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It's from Northeast China, then,

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It's just a different style, but,

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From what I know of Beifeng Theatre, I can say that

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They create very authentic works, addressing social phenomena,

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Including the previous "Iceberg" and other topics,

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They bring to the stage things people usually don't pay attention to,

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They bring things people don't see or think about to the table.

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It's very... I think Beifeng Theatre...

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I keep repeating 'Beifeng Theatre'; maybe I'm a bit nervous,

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Still, I don't have a specific, fair evaluation,

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But, to say, it's me, in my pursuit of this,

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acting, uh, this journey, it's a,

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truly excellent choice, well, for the future too,

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what kind of expectations, for which aspect of the future,

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on life itself, on life itself, on life,

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what expectations for the future of life, expectations for life's future,

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Actually, I don't have many expectations, basically,

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You see, we think, like, following that,

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that pyramid thing, what's it called,

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this Maslow or something, about those needs,

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Expectations for life, first and foremost is to live,

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This is easily satisfied, then what's the second,

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I've already forgotten, but it's basically this idea,

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Expectations for the future are, first and foremost, to survive,

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Then go after more things I want, like,

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Like getting a manicure, or skydiving,

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Doing things I like, even if the public,

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Can't understand, or just can't grasp the idea,

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More personal things,

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I'll do whatever I like, I think I probably won't,

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Well, what I feel for this—for Beifeng Theatre, for example—

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I love theater itself, but, um,

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While I love it, I probably won't abandon it,

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But I'll also pursue more, more, more,

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This is about the future, building on just surviving,

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Pursuing more things I want,

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Is there anything special you want to say to the camera,

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What they especially want to say to the camera,

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Not just saving the special things to say for the end, making a special feature,

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Everyone's special things to say to the camera,

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Damn, can this even be broadcast? You say, communism is crap,

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This is what I'd most want to say to the camera, not that,

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I'm not someone who blindly worships the West, but it really is dog shit—I mean,

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It's terrible, I've never liked this stuff since I was little,

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But you can't say it openly; if you do,

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you'll get shut down. I don't think this part will even air,

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Maybe switch it up. Let's talk about why it's dog shit,

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why it's dog shit,

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Because this thing, first of all, from the very beginning,

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the earliest times, five-year plans, five-year plans,

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Wasn't our primary goal to achieve moderate prosperity?

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But in reality, this 'prosperity' is a fake one,

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its overall central goal is completely fake,

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what's the difference from capital anyway?

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I've been thinking about this: it's still maintaining those,

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we don't judge people by status, but,

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when it comes to this matter,

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it's about,

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maintaining those in high positions or bureaucrats,

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or zaibatsu, to ensure their basic foundations,

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How do you use this word? I don't know how to use it,

321
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But I think the people in front of the camera might understand if this could be checked,

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they should be able to understand,

323
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really, the true underclass will always remain the underclass,

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Including a few years ago, Li Keqiang, I think,

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isn't it said that the well-off standard has already been achieved,

326
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the well-off standard has been achieved for many years now,

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I can't even remember,

328
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but this so-called well-off standard is too fake,

329
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because the data we publish shows the well-off standard is around tens of thousands,

330
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or maybe a few thousand, I've forgotten, then,

331
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but in reality, it's only a thousand or so,

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or living on just a few hundred yuan in subsistence benefits,

333
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there are still many people like that, and some cannot even receive those benefits,

334
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it's not that they don't qualify,

335
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but rather, like a classmate I had before, I won't mention the name,

336
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a classmate whose family is extremely wealthy, you could say,

337
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a rich second-generation heir driving a Porsche to collect subsistence benefits,

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It's kind of weird, I guess, not that I don't understand it,

339
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because people have long said that subsistence benefits are claimed by the rich,

340
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In today's society, the rich get richer,

341
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while the poor get poorer,

342
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And actually, this so-called freedom is also fake,

343
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There's no freedom of speech, no freedom of opinion,

344
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and no freedom of any kind,

345
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In foreign institutional terms, their approach is a bit too...

346
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respecting human rights,

347
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respecting human rights is kind of, well, appealing,

348
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But it also has some downsides,

349
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after all, everyone has their flaws,

350
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it's just a matter of which is relatively better,

351
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I might be an independent person, you know,

352
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So I think it's nonsense, way too fake,

353
00:20:28,275 --> 00:20:31,357
Too fake. Thank you.

354
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Say whatever's on your mind

355
00:20:36,073 --> 00:20:37,773
It's all very casual, very relaxed

356
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Okay, let's get started.

357
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Let's talk about it.

358
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So far, up to now.

359
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What do you think of Vortex

360
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What's your take on this?

361
00:20:50,423 --> 00:20:53,742
First off, I'm really happy.

362
00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:55,183
and to be able to take part in Vortex,

363
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This play's.

364
00:20:56,453 --> 00:20:58,153
In the process of creation.

365
00:20:58,153 --> 00:21:01,271
I feel it's different from what everyone thinks.

366
00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:03,503
In the traditional concept, it's a.

367
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Beautiful stage play.

368
00:21:06,043 --> 00:21:08,363
We're still more focused on.

369
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What we want to express and focus on.

370
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Some of these.

371
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Some things in this era.

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The voices of being swept along and resisting.

373
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I think this is still important.

374
00:21:18,373 --> 00:21:20,973
It's pretty cool, and I hope we can

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use this theatrical form

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to perform, and bring people

377
00:21:24,563 --> 00:21:26,543
some thoughts

378
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Actually, I understand this

379
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because this time we're creating

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like this space, where we're rehearsing today

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part, actually, my understanding

382
00:21:35,693 --> 00:21:37,053
it's not just a

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limited form of a play

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or a theatrical form

385
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it's more like a connection with the audience

386
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a work of synesthetic art

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or something

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00:21:46,643 --> 00:21:49,683
feeling, hoping the audience will also feel

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this way, from multiple perspectives

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dimensions, and be able to mutually

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feel what we want to express

392
00:21:55,823 --> 00:21:57,743
And it can give them something to think about later

393
00:21:57,743 --> 00:21:59,173
Some thoughts to ponder

394
00:21:59,183 --> 00:22:03,243
How do you see it

395
00:22:03,243 --> 00:22:06,003
This play

396
00:22:06,003 --> 00:22:06,473
Its

397
00:22:06,603 --> 00:22:10,131
How do you see it specifically

398
00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,673
For example

399
00:22:12,673 --> 00:22:16,953
The current state of this play

400
00:22:16,953 --> 00:22:19,173
Are you talking about the current script?

401
00:22:19,173 --> 00:22:20,493
This current script

402
00:22:20,493 --> 00:22:24,763
Because there are still some parts to work on

403
00:22:24,763 --> 00:22:27,963
We still need creative space

404
00:22:27,963 --> 00:22:31,863
And actually, I think what we discussed back then

405
00:22:31,863 --> 00:22:34,992
This point was quite good

406
00:22:35,003 --> 00:22:39,233
It's about a genuine voice

407
00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:41,273
This voice might not be particularly pleasant

408
00:22:41,273 --> 00:22:42,583
Pleasant to hear, nice to look at

409
00:22:42,583 --> 00:22:42,853
But

410
00:22:42,853 --> 00:22:44,913
It's just real stuff, kind of like that

411
00:22:44,913 --> 00:22:46,493
a reflection of real-life environments

412
00:22:46,493 --> 00:22:49,160
Then we just let this play stand

413
00:22:49,203 --> 00:22:52,273
right there, and it just stays there

414
00:22:52,273 --> 00:22:53,693
And it's not about saying

415
00:22:53,693 --> 00:22:55,993
standing from a higher place

416
00:22:55,993 --> 00:22:57,193
a starting point

417
00:22:57,193 --> 00:22:59,673
lecturing the audience

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00:22:59,733 --> 00:23:00,753
or any kind of format

419
00:23:00,753 --> 00:23:02,273
just like

420
00:23:02,273 --> 00:23:05,573
like a mirror, you know

421
00:23:05,573 --> 00:23:09,123
I see this play as more like a mirror

422
00:23:09,123 --> 00:23:13,233
So how do you

423
00:23:13,233 --> 00:23:14,843
see it, I mean

424
00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:16,579
Right now, in this play

425
00:23:16,603 --> 00:23:16,863
in this play

426
00:23:16,883 --> 00:23:20,633
the state of the entire cast

427
00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:23,383
my own state of mind

428
00:23:23,383 --> 00:23:27,746
I'm more of an observer, really.

429
00:23:27,883 --> 00:23:29,883
And working state.

430
00:23:29,883 --> 00:23:35,743
Can you talk about these two states?

431
00:23:35,743 --> 00:23:38,983
Because it's my first time here at P4.

432
00:23:38,983 --> 00:23:41,323
So I'm curious about a lot of things,

433
00:23:41,323 --> 00:23:43,063
like how we operate,

434
00:23:43,103 --> 00:23:44,143
how we run things,

435
00:23:44,143 --> 00:23:48,243
and I'm really curious about this approach,

436
00:23:48,243 --> 00:23:49,883
coming here,

437
00:23:49,883 --> 00:23:50,903
working state,

438
00:23:50,903 --> 00:23:53,373
Basically, I want to,

439
00:23:53,463 --> 00:23:56,833
if I were to look at it from a theater person's perspective,

440
00:23:56,833 --> 00:23:59,023
whether it could start from some creative development and rehearsal...

441
00:23:59,023 --> 00:23:59,603
some thoughts,

442
00:23:59,623 --> 00:24:00,743
some collisions,

443
00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:03,613
to really make this work,

444
00:24:03,613 --> 00:24:06,063
bring in some of my own thoughts,

445
00:24:06,063 --> 00:24:07,543
and have them presented.

446
00:24:07,543 --> 00:24:10,282
This is where I've thought a lot about.

447
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,833
So these are the two states, right?

448
00:24:11,843 --> 00:24:14,933
More of that.

449
00:24:14,933 --> 00:24:19,063
So, what do you think of Beifeng Theatre?

450
00:24:19,063 --> 00:24:20,943
Beifeng Theatre?

451
00:24:20,943 --> 00:24:22,263
Beifeng Theatre...

452
00:24:22,263 --> 00:24:24,243
That's about it, I guess.

453
00:24:24,243 --> 00:24:25,350
Haha.

454
00:24:25,363 --> 00:24:25,853
I still

455
00:24:25,943 --> 00:24:27,003
Complaining, complaining.

456
00:24:27,003 --> 00:24:28,003
Not complaining.

457
00:24:28,003 --> 00:24:28,493
It's that.

458
00:24:28,723 --> 00:24:31,483
Because when I first joined this

459
00:24:31,483 --> 00:24:34,417
This place here, you know?

460
00:24:34,583 --> 00:24:36,863
There are also many mutual friends.

461
00:24:36,863 --> 00:24:39,353
Some mutual, mutual things.

462
00:24:39,363 --> 00:24:40,423
How to put it?

463
00:24:40,423 --> 00:24:41,962
Pushing it, I guess.

464
00:24:41,993 --> 00:24:43,493
So I found out about this

465
00:24:43,493 --> 00:24:45,233
Actually, among young people

466
00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:47,593
The P4 brand is also well known.

467
00:24:47,593 --> 00:24:48,843
So, about your

468
00:24:48,853 --> 00:24:50,553
But as for Beifeng Theatre,

469
00:24:50,553 --> 00:24:55,774
Actually, when I first started connecting with them

470
00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:56,703
Uh

471
00:24:56,803 --> 00:24:56,903
Uh

472
00:24:56,903 --> 00:24:58,364
Whether it's the copy

473
00:24:58,373 --> 00:25:00,141
Or uh

474
00:25:00,153 --> 00:25:03,683
and in our conversations, P4 didn't seem to come up

475
00:25:03,713 --> 00:25:05,740
There's no connection

476
00:25:05,763 --> 00:25:08,243
It makes the concept feel very vague

477
00:25:08,323 --> 00:25:08,793
Hmm

478
00:25:08,843 --> 00:25:11,483
I don't know if you're intentionally making it vague

479
00:25:11,483 --> 00:25:11,883
Hmm

480
00:25:11,883 --> 00:25:12,473
Or what's going on

481
00:25:12,483 --> 00:25:15,463
Because I'm not sure if you're trying to create two brands

482
00:25:15,463 --> 00:25:18,192
Or is one meant to be a community?

483
00:25:18,223 --> 00:25:19,773
And the other a brand?

484
00:25:19,783 --> 00:25:20,103
Hmm.

485
00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:21,303
Because this is indeed

486
00:25:21,303 --> 00:25:25,480
So I don't really have the authority to comment on this or say anything about it.

487
00:25:25,723 --> 00:25:26,833
Hmm.

488
00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:32,103
You're now a member of Beifeng Theatre, right?

489
00:25:32,103 --> 00:25:33,423
Yes, I'm a member.

490
00:25:33,423 --> 00:25:33,743
Mm, okay.

491
00:25:33,743 --> 00:25:34,683
Haha.

492
00:25:34,683 --> 00:25:36,263
Haha.

493
00:25:36,263 --> 00:25:40,533
So you don't feel like...

494
00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:48,231
You feel like there's a difference between theater and traditional theater?

495
00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:50,423
Do you need to distinguish between them?

496
00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:54,333
Or do you not really care about these things?

497
00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:54,613
Hmm.

498
00:25:54,613 --> 00:25:56,093
That's what I was just saying.

499
00:25:56,093 --> 00:25:59,493
If you're going to categorize theater,

500
00:25:59,493 --> 00:26:01,633
into a few categories,

501
00:26:01,633 --> 00:26:03,273
I think this form is—

502
00:26:03,273 --> 00:26:06,503
it's also a branch of theatre.

503
00:26:06,503 --> 00:26:07,663
But,

504
00:26:07,663 --> 00:26:08,153
Uh,

505
00:26:08,203 --> 00:26:11,293
It's just that, for me personally,

506
00:26:11,293 --> 00:26:16,103
or the thoughts generated by this era,

507
00:26:16,103 --> 00:26:16,573
Hmm,

508
00:26:16,703 --> 00:26:21,383
I'm still more interested in some more rebellious voices.

509
00:26:21,383 --> 00:26:23,243
Because without this part,

510
00:26:23,243 --> 00:26:24,243
he wouldn't be here.

511
00:26:24,243 --> 00:26:24,503
Right?

512
00:26:24,503 --> 00:26:26,953
nor could they become a member of Beifeng Theatre.

513
00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:28,043
So,

514
00:26:28,043 --> 00:26:30,423
Well,

515
00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:33,713
This is what I'm really interested in doing.

516
00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:34,463
Hmm

517
00:26:34,463 --> 00:26:37,433
Then, unlike other theatrical aspects

518
00:26:37,433 --> 00:26:41,484
For example, other dramas might more often showcase beauty

519
00:26:41,523 --> 00:26:44,093
Or carry some technical aspects, right?

520
00:26:44,093 --> 00:26:44,713
Tech-focused stuff

521
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:48,343
Such things might be more widespread

522
00:26:48,433 --> 00:26:49,963
Whereas here

523
00:26:49,993 --> 00:26:52,973
What we're doing

524
00:26:52,973 --> 00:26:55,303
How to put it

525
00:26:55,303 --> 00:26:58,113
Feels more niche

526
00:26:58,113 --> 00:26:58,713
But

527
00:26:58,833 --> 00:27:01,343
It's still a unique form

528
00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:04,883
As I said, it leans more toward synesthetic art.

529
00:27:04,893 --> 00:27:09,669
Not like the traditional setup where audience and performers are separated

530
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:12,623
A form with a clear barrier between them

531
00:27:12,623 --> 00:27:18,203
Mm, is it called connection or synesthesia? Synesthesia, synesthesia.

532
00:27:18,203 --> 00:27:26,883
There's an English word for synesthetic art... I've forgotten it. It's quite long.

533
00:27:26,883 --> 00:27:32,003
Connection? No, no, no. It should be... synesthetic art?

534
00:27:32,003 --> 00:27:38,933
Synesthesia, synesthesia, synesthesia.

535
00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:42,943
Right, that's it. Where did you get this concept from?

536
00:27:42,943 --> 00:27:46,323
Our company used to have this art form too.

537
00:27:46,323 --> 00:27:50,483
What we're doing—synesthesia isn't especially widespread in China,

538
00:27:50,753 --> 00:27:52,423
It is indeed, uh,

539
00:27:52,423 --> 00:27:55,183
It's part of the international art market.

540
00:27:55,183 --> 00:27:57,283
It's one of the major art forms.

541
00:27:57,283 --> 00:27:57,583
But,

542
00:27:57,583 --> 00:27:59,323
It is indeed, uh, a bit more niche.

543
00:27:59,323 --> 00:28:01,063
It's usually through, uh,

544
00:28:01,063 --> 00:28:05,803
For example, sound, poetry, or visual elements,

545
00:28:05,803 --> 00:28:09,283
anything that resonates with the audience,

546
00:28:09,283 --> 00:28:12,813
but it's not limited to just one theme for you to see,

547
00:28:12,883 --> 00:28:13,683
you just feel that way,

548
00:28:13,683 --> 00:28:15,133
it's not like that,

549
00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:15,603
so,

550
00:28:15,673 --> 00:28:17,973
I feel this is quite similar to what we're doing.

551
00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:19,453
I think the drama we're doing

552
00:28:19,453 --> 00:28:21,413
It is a form of synesthetic art.

553
00:28:21,413 --> 00:28:22,513
It already is.

554
00:28:22,513 --> 00:28:25,658
So what do you think now?

555
00:28:25,733 --> 00:28:27,713
In the course of rehearsing

556
00:28:27,713 --> 00:28:29,213
or putting it into practice,

557
00:28:29,213 --> 00:28:29,603
Hmm.

558
00:28:29,603 --> 00:28:30,073
Ah.

559
00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:35,413
Did you—you—feel this synesthesia?

560
00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:36,234
Yes, yes.

561
00:28:36,753 --> 00:28:37,853
Hmm.

562
00:28:37,853 --> 00:28:39,583
Where exactly?

563
00:28:39,583 --> 00:28:43,143
Or can you describe this feeling more specifically?

564
00:28:43,143 --> 00:28:43,613
Ah.

565
00:28:43,623 --> 00:28:49,463
I think that first sense of synesthesia came from meeting the person in charge and meeting Wenhao.

566
00:28:49,463 --> 00:28:49,883
Hmm.

567
00:28:49,883 --> 00:28:52,813
That sense of synesthesia had actually already begun.

568
00:28:52,823 --> 00:28:53,263
Oh.

569
00:28:53,263 --> 00:28:56,943
Because I think it was when we first met.

570
00:28:56,943 --> 00:28:59,583
We started talking about our ideas.

571
00:28:59,583 --> 00:29:00,423
I felt like

572
00:29:00,423 --> 00:29:02,553
Because there's this kind of

573
00:29:02,553 --> 00:29:05,851
acknowledging that this resonance exists

574
00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:08,463
we could work together on this

575
00:29:08,463 --> 00:29:10,163
Because at the beginning

576
00:29:10,163 --> 00:29:12,163
some other partners had already left

577
00:29:12,163 --> 00:29:12,563
Right?

578
00:29:12,563 --> 00:29:13,663
He didn't continue participating

579
00:29:13,663 --> 00:29:16,593
Then perhaps that synesthetic connection didn't continue.

580
00:29:16,663 --> 00:29:17,133
Hmm

581
00:29:17,163 --> 00:29:17,563
Ah

582
00:29:17,563 --> 00:29:21,283
I think if we can keep going until the end

583
00:29:21,283 --> 00:29:23,583
he must have a shared goal

584
00:29:23,583 --> 00:29:26,223
or something that leads to the same destination

585
00:29:26,283 --> 00:29:28,583
to support all of us working together to complete something

586
00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:29,053
Hmm

587
00:29:29,083 --> 00:29:31,873
So what do you think about the future?

588
00:29:31,873 --> 00:29:33,933
What kind of future do you expect?

589
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:41,909
Or in what areas do you hope to develop this synesthesia further—

590
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:43,903
To spread out more?

591
00:29:43,903 --> 00:29:48,103
Connect with more people or our audience?

592
00:29:48,103 --> 00:29:52,342
First, I think the play we're heading towards now...

593
00:29:52,353 --> 00:29:57,167
And I also hope to bring more through...

594
00:29:57,167 --> 00:29:58,350
Physical expression?

595
00:29:58,423 --> 00:30:00,193
Through music?

596
00:30:00,193 --> 00:30:04,900
Then give the audience something without words

597
00:30:04,923 --> 00:30:06,923
That they can feel without words.

598
00:30:06,923 --> 00:30:10,053
I think what sets this apart from spoken drama is—

599
00:30:10,053 --> 00:30:14,173
and also from the physical beauty and technique of dance theatre.

600
00:30:14,183 --> 00:30:14,583
Hmm.

601
00:30:14,583 --> 00:30:16,693
Maybe through physical movement?

602
00:30:16,693 --> 00:30:21,009
Through some abstract things.

603
00:30:21,313 --> 00:30:25,229
Maybe such things, not everyone may accept at first.

604
00:30:25,229 --> 00:30:26,153
Everyone may not accept it.

605
00:30:26,183 --> 00:30:31,892
But I hope that after the performance, the audience will have a very new

606
00:30:31,892 --> 00:30:33,243
a fresh experience, I hope

607
00:30:33,243 --> 00:30:33,443
Hmm

608
00:30:33,443 --> 00:30:36,683
Or if it can resonate with people, that would of course be best.

609
00:30:36,683 --> 00:30:36,763
Mm.

610
00:30:36,763 --> 00:30:42,623
And I also hope that, in the end, the play Vortex will be just as I expect it to be.

611
00:30:42,623 --> 00:30:46,783
I hope it can appear as a voice in society against

612
00:30:47,063 --> 00:30:47,963
being swept along.

613
00:30:48,563 --> 00:30:51,303
It may not be something everyone accepts

614
00:30:51,303 --> 00:30:53,793
Because what we're doing isn't about box office success

615
00:30:53,903 --> 00:30:56,538
Everyone who comes isn't there for box office success

616
00:30:56,623 --> 00:30:58,773
What we're doing is to create a voice

617
00:30:58,783 --> 00:31:03,033
This voice, I'm expressing myself

618
00:31:03,033 --> 00:31:04,553
As for how everyone understands it,

619
00:31:04,553 --> 00:31:05,613
that's up to them.

620
00:31:06,803 --> 00:31:09,873
Then I hope to express my own attitude.

621
00:31:09,923 --> 00:31:11,903
What's your attitude?

622
00:31:11,903 --> 00:31:14,503
My attitude is, umm.

623
00:31:14,503 --> 00:31:19,918
I don't want to live up to what society dictates as good.

624
00:31:20,023 --> 00:31:23,143
I want to live as I see it.

625
00:31:23,143 --> 00:31:27,863
I want to live a free and easy life as I imagine.

626
00:31:27,863 --> 00:31:33,293
Then, based on my values and life perspective, I live.

627
00:31:33,293 --> 00:31:35,183
But it must be, umm.

628
00:31:35,183 --> 00:31:37,793
at odds with society's very

629
00:31:37,793 --> 00:31:42,293
snobbish values.

630
00:31:42,293 --> 00:31:45,833
So my attitude is to be brave.

631
00:31:45,833 --> 00:31:47,303
Umm, umm.

632
00:31:47,303 --> 00:31:54,150
Do you think you'll become a brave person in your future life?

633
00:31:54,163 --> 00:31:55,651
I've always been.

634
00:31:55,663 --> 00:31:56,640
Umm.

635
00:31:56,993 --> 00:31:57,483
Oh.

636
00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:59,763
Haha.

637
00:31:59,763 --> 00:32:00,317
Thank you.

638
00:32:00,423 --> 00:32:02,203
OK, thanks.

639
00:32:04,073 --> 00:32:08,090
OK, good. Let's get started.

640
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:12,759
So, tell me about yourself.

641
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,726
Just getting by.

642
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:22,121
What do you think of the play Vortex?

643
00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:25,319
I think it's about the things in this play,

644
00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:28,150
it happens to everyone, including me.

645
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:33,524
it's like tossing and turning, then feeling a bit lost,

646
00:32:33,524 --> 00:32:36,480
but ultimately, I face and accept it.

647
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,763
Do you feel like you're being swept along?

648
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:47,337
I feel like I'm swept along too much, by life,

649
00:32:47,874 --> 00:32:55,033
by my own emotions, by money, by feelings, by everything.

650
00:32:55,620 --> 00:33:01,690
So, why do you think we're alive?

651
00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:08,176
It's about continuing, continuing strength,

652
00:33:08,285 --> 00:33:15,491
continuing bloodline, continuing spirit.

653
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:18,331
Do you want to have a child?

654
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:21,300
I do, very much so.

655
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:26,197
What do you mean by 'bloodline'?

656
00:33:26,197 --> 00:33:29,420
Go ahead and tell me.

657
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:36,840
Bloodline means family, a continuation of the family.

658
00:33:37,092 --> 00:33:42,005
Because for generations, if I don't have a son,

659
00:33:42,005 --> 00:33:43,870
it might end with me.

660
00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:47,660
Living, it's a lot of pressure.

661
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:52,066
The pressure isn't that bad, if I really don't have one,

662
00:33:52,172 --> 00:33:53,778
I can accept it.

663
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:58,358
Honestly, I don't care if it's a boy or a girl.

664
00:33:58,358 --> 00:34:00,790
It's just about continuation.

665
00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:05,770
How do you view love, for example?

666
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:10,012
I've been asking myself this question today.

667
00:34:10,012 --> 00:34:15,000
Is it desire, or just a habit,

668
00:34:16,323 --> 00:34:21,860
or is it really that kind of love everyone longs for,

669
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:25,405
where you're friends, comrades, and soulmates,

670
00:34:25,618 --> 00:34:28,750
a state where you're lovers too.

671
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:31,930
I've been thinking about it a lot, given how many relationships I've had.

672
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:36,141
Sometimes I feel sad or hurt, for me,

673
00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:40,840
with feelings, I just feel like I might be losing in this relationship.

674
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,598
But sometimes it's really like that,

675
00:34:44,955 --> 00:34:48,123
It's that heart-wrenching pain.

676
00:34:48,370 --> 00:34:56,180
Because I used to admire my partner.

677
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:57,772
That's right.

678
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,860
That's how you could put it.

679
00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:59,514
Admire.

680
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,713
Admire.

681
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:07,140
I mean, I think of them as a mentor and a friend.

682
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:11,523
But every time I end a relationship,

683
00:35:11,629 --> 00:35:17,470
I go back and think about why I ended it.

684
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:21,910
I can't even figure it out myself.

685
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:26,995
And the fact that I get to be part of Vortex,

686
00:35:27,477 --> 00:35:30,910
I think it's just part of the plan.

687
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:34,660
How do you think about freedom?

688
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:35,840
Freedom.

689
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,880
I think freedom means being happy first and foremost.

690
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,420
That's what freedom is to me.

691
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,877
Because if you're happy inside, you're fine anywhere.

692
00:35:46,877 --> 00:35:49,100
Even in the bathroom, I'm fine.

693
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,410
Are you happy?

694
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:57,640
Right now, I'm not happy, very unhappy.

695
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,480
What's holding me back? What's holding me back?

696
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,310
It's the so-called love.

697
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:11,679
You know, just a couple of days ago, over drinks, I was solemnly telling someone

698
00:36:12,001 --> 00:36:16,370
Telling others I'm coming back, I'm coming back.

699
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:20,043
Because there are many friends around me who support and recognize me,

700
00:36:20,043 --> 00:36:22,832
Everyone thinks I'm capable,

701
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:25,720
That my energy isn't just like this.

702
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,617
OK, I also think that way,

703
00:36:27,617 --> 00:36:30,560
At that time, it felt like a whirlpool, right in the moment,

704
00:36:30,835 --> 00:36:32,588
When it really happens to you,

705
00:36:32,681 --> 00:36:34,843
I felt like I suddenly fell to the bottom,

706
00:36:34,843 --> 00:36:40,007
But I feel like I'm still holding onto the edge of the cliff with one hand,

707
00:36:40,007 --> 00:36:42,040
But if I let go, I might fall.

708
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,831
But if I climb up, I don't know what the view is like above,

709
00:36:48,831 --> 00:36:54,016
But if I let go, I'm dead for sure, so...

710
00:36:54,034 --> 00:36:58,782
I don't even know what happiness or unhappiness feels like right now,

711
00:36:59,027 --> 00:37:01,523
I don't know what happiness is anymore,

712
00:37:01,855 --> 00:37:07,476
Even though I'm speaking well now, I don't know what happiness is,

713
00:37:07,476 --> 00:37:10,200
Even if they gave me money right now,

714
00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:14,459
and sent me to the place I've always wanted to go,

715
00:37:14,459 --> 00:37:16,310
I couldn't guarantee it.

716
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:16,947
Hmm.

717
00:37:17,215 --> 00:37:23,924
I think I can be quick,

718
00:37:23,924 --> 00:37:30,018
happy? Is that okay to say?

719
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:36,550
Of course. What do you think of Beifeng Theatre?

720
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:42,672
I don't know Beifeng Theatre very well; I only know everyone feels familiar,

721
00:37:42,672 --> 00:37:47,883
Actually, I have many friends all over the world,

722
00:37:48,111 --> 00:37:49,615
maybe just meeting once,

723
00:37:49,721 --> 00:37:53,504
I could call him brother,

724
00:37:53,808 --> 00:37:56,603
that feeling everyone shares,

725
00:37:56,619 --> 00:38:01,282
and I get that same feeling at Beifeng Theatre,

726
00:38:01,282 --> 00:38:07,967
This is also a kind of love for me, without any strings attached,

727
00:38:07,967 --> 00:38:12,555
no ulterior motives, just between people,

728
00:38:12,641 --> 00:38:19,403
A love that clicks, maybe my understanding of love isn't clear,

729
00:38:19,403 --> 00:38:23,742
I'm learning love, just as I am,

730
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:30,081
People think, 'Oh my god, you're an artist, '

731
00:38:30,081 --> 00:38:34,759
How are you? What you do is,

732
00:38:34,776 --> 00:38:38,335
But before joining this drama,

733
00:38:38,335 --> 00:38:44,029
I was deeply stuck in a dilemma of self-doubt,

734
00:38:44,029 --> 00:38:47,470
I know that's not good.

735
00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:54,490
What do you think drama is?

736
00:38:54,490 --> 00:39:01,307
For me, drama is just, well, for me,

737
00:39:01,984 --> 00:39:04,240
It's just life.

738
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:09,889
Right now, at this point in your

739
00:39:09,889 --> 00:39:13,510
life?

740
00:39:13,643 --> 00:39:15,700
What moment?

741
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,173
I'm in a pit full of thorns,

742
00:39:19,173 --> 00:39:23,367
But I still have a chance to climb out, myself,

743
00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:27,871
I know I have a chance to climb out,

744
00:39:27,871 --> 00:39:32,702
Unless I can't bear the pain, I can endure it,

745
00:39:32,702 --> 00:39:37,962
I'll get out, the wound will heal, and I can keep moving up.

746
00:39:37,979 --> 00:39:42,793
If I can't hold on, I'll die right here in this pit.

747
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:45,620
Have you had these thoughts lately?

748
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:47,740
I've always had them, especially lately.

749
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:51,704
Actually, every time I went there before,

750
00:39:51,704 --> 00:39:59,421
when I went to practice in Wangjing, I was avoiding myself a bit.

751
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,030
Because I've gone through some things myself.

752
00:40:06,111 --> 00:40:10,004
Facing some issues, I know,

753
00:40:10,004 --> 00:40:16,239
Some people might have gone through worse than I have, you know,

754
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:22,312
But I still choose to get out of this pit,

755
00:40:22,312 --> 00:40:29,975
I don't want to die here, because I don't think I'll die from this,

756
00:40:30,117 --> 00:40:37,087
When I say 'die,' I mean my spirit, not my body,

757
00:40:37,087 --> 00:40:38,758
That's it.

758
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:42,323
Any thoughts you'd like to share?

759
00:40:42,323 --> 00:40:48,040
The most important thing to say?

760
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,669
To myself, or to this camera?

761
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,508
Either way.

762
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,740
Live in the moment,

763
00:41:00,699 --> 00:41:05,111
Be content and happy.

764
00:41:05,111 --> 00:41:12,912
This is what I want to say most.

765
00:41:13,743 --> 00:41:15,470
That's it.

766
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:23,260
Okay, that's the end of the interview.

767
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,370
Okay.

768
00:41:30,252 --> 00:41:32,175
- Should I drag you by the legs or by the arms?

769
00:41:32,393 --> 00:41:34,564
- By the legs, otherwise... - Then let's do the legs.

770
00:41:34,593 --> 00:41:37,733
- Dragging by the legs is fine. I'll do it again. - Give it a try.

771
00:41:37,733 --> 00:41:45,263
- The kind you need to act out, you know, like - Struggle.

772
00:41:45,263 --> 00:41:47,243
- Struggle - Struggle.

773
00:41:47,243 --> 00:41:54,017
- Struggle - Struggle.

774
00:41:54,063 --> 00:41:56,447
- Turn around, like this,

775
00:41:56,447 --> 00:41:59,533
- Turn around, then - Yeah, right, right.

776
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:02,503
- Right, right, struggle - Is this audio okay?

777
00:42:02,683 --> 00:42:05,963
- This is kind of like an animation - Hahaha.

778
00:42:05,963 --> 00:42:13,741
- Like Tom and Jerry or something...

779
00:42:13,741 --> 00:42:20,183
stuff - Not chosen yet, not chosen yet.

780
00:42:20,208 --> 00:42:22,693
- Won't hit anymore - Yeah.

781
00:42:22,693 --> 00:42:28,183
- Anyway, everyone can, yeah, feel free to give feedback.

782
00:42:28,183 --> 00:42:31,415
Is it starting?

783
00:42:31,531 --> 00:42:36,363
No music in this part?

784
00:42:38,214 --> 00:42:43,992
Three ways to come out,

785
00:42:43,992 --> 00:42:50,250
Which one looks better to everyone?

786
00:42:50,335 --> 00:42:56,959
Okay, okay,

787
00:42:57,636 --> 00:43:03,640
Okay, too fast. This is one way,

788
00:43:03,668 --> 00:43:11,505
Because I used to wear a full suit,

789
00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:17,791
sliding is better,

790
00:43:17,791 --> 00:43:24,528
Another one, the second one, this is good,

791
00:43:24,528 --> 00:43:31,237
This one, like this, the third one,

792
00:43:31,237 --> 00:43:34,986
Try another one?

793
00:43:34,986 --> 00:43:40,145
Maybe even better,

794
00:43:40,145 --> 00:43:46,798
Now I go out, I either crawl like this,

795
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:53,676
or crawl like this. It makes sense,

796
00:43:53,676 --> 00:43:59,990
I think crawling like this, and now it's like this,

797
00:44:02,864 --> 00:44:10,821
Don't worry about anything, don't be idle. Okay, come on,

798
00:44:10,821 --> 00:44:17,079
Okay, okay, okay. Right, don't worry about anything,

799
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:24,893
Even though I didn't see anything, I'm not sure how to say it, uh,

800
00:44:24,893 --> 00:44:29,822
Whatever, yeah, whatever, whatever,

801
00:44:29,822 --> 00:44:34,874
Just call it whatever, interact,

802
00:44:34,874 --> 00:44:41,317
Not interacting yet, no,

803
00:44:41,317 --> 00:44:43,424
Not enough interaction,

804
00:44:43,424 --> 00:44:49,969
That's too much mental preparation.

805
00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:57,291
First lower your guard; you need to interact with me.

806
00:44:57,291 --> 00:45:04,000
Right—[inaudible] on display; you can do whatever you want.

807
00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:05,330
Play around with it more, play around with it more.

808
00:45:05,330 --> 00:45:06,510
As long as it doesn't look human.

809
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:08,230
[inaudible] on display.

810
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:24,860
No—because I'm in front. How am I supposed to show it?

811
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:28,230
But when you drag them, make it look a bit like dragging a person.

812
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:29,190
the burst of that,

813
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:30,330
Then I use my mouth,

814
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:31,410
with my feet biting down on it,

815
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:33,510
Not when dragging,

816
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:35,370
You might not be like that,

817
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:36,850
dragging like this,

818
00:46:36,850 --> 00:46:37,920
you have a discovery for me,

819
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,649
it's possible when dragging,

820
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:40,850
it's also dragged like this,

821
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:47,850
it's even different,

822
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:49,383
it's clearly a person,

823
00:46:49,503 --> 00:46:51,940
If you're not going to treat him as a person,

824
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:52,960
if you treat him as a person,

825
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,040
then treat him like an object,

826
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,228
you have to treat him like an object.

827
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:00,949
Don't treat him as a person

828
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:16,687
Don't treat him like an object—oh, no, don't treat him like a person;

829
00:47:16,845 --> 00:47:19,110
treat him like an object. Give it a try.

830
00:47:19,110 --> 00:47:21,360
Let's all sit this way

831
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,170
Then Guo Qian is one of our audience

832
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:24,230
One of the audience

833
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:26,843
Who is Guo Qian?

834
00:47:28,856 --> 00:47:40,554
I think anything is fine—anything is fine. Just don't think, don't think.

835
00:47:40,554 --> 00:47:47,628
Don't think of yourself as a person. Don't think of yourself as a person.

836
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:49,150
Don't treat him like a person.

837
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:50,140
A state of mind.

838
00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:54,160
Don't treat him like a person.

839
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,070
Don't treat anyone like a person.

840
00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:59,890
It should feel like no burden at all.

841
00:47:59,890 --> 00:48:01,060
We need to imagine the audience.

842
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:04,390
Let's get the audience to this position first.

843
00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:16,570
It's fine, it's fine. Just push through,

844
00:48:16,570 --> 00:48:18,930
just part the audience and it'll be fine.

845
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:20,830
Maybe the second option.

846
00:48:20,830 --> 00:48:22,950
The second option.

847
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:24,130
And make the audience think

848
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:25,060
He might not like to hear it.

849
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:28,480
Technically.

850
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,152
Artistically.

851
00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:33,734
Just be casual

852
00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:34,481
Be casual

853
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:35,870
Really relaxed

854
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:36,850
Don't ever

855
00:48:36,850 --> 00:48:37,890
Don't worry

856
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,620
No good.

857
00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:51,480
Music at the beginning? What music?

858
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,760
No music.

859
00:48:58,870 --> 00:49:01,650
No—start acting first. No music. Start acting.

860
00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:20,210
Come on, come on.

861
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:09,650
I think it's pretty good.

862
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:10,017
This...

863
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:11,699
This feels right.

864
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:13,660
Not human anymore.

865
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:15,362
Not human anymore.

866
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:16,858
Right.

867
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:17,030
Right.

868
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,550
Right.

869
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:19,680
Not human anymore.

870
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,130
Bang, bang, bang. Cue the music, cue the music.

871
00:52:25,630 --> 00:52:28,600
Cue the music. Come on.

872
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:34,620
If you [inaudible] like this, will that work for us?

873
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:40,450
No, it's fine.

874
00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:41,650
Even if the audience is sitting here,

875
00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:45,750
just lift him away.

876
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:52,046
Just push him back.

877
00:52:52,610 --> 00:52:55,120
Anyway, this is the energy I've got—[inaudible].

878
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,540
Okay.

879
00:52:56,540 --> 00:52:58,160
Right, that's the feeling.

880
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,870
[inaudible].

881
00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:03,080
Right.

882
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,177
Exactly.

883
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:07,490
If you're going to be irritable, be a bit more irritable.

884
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:11,523
This light needs to be on.

885
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:12,038
Where's the light?

886
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:12,698
Turn on the light.

887
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:13,370
Open the door.

888
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:15,010
The moment the door opens, the light should come on.

889
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:15,930
Turn on the light.

890
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:16,678
The audience might sit here.

891
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:18,320
Oh dear.

892
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,165
There is.

893
00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:21,180
But some audience just stays like that.

894
00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:22,880
If he won't move, just yank him away.

895
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,630
Then he'll lie across there.

896
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:25,870
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

897
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:26,810
The audience won't have it.

898
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:50,740
[inaudible].

899
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:51,020
No.

900
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:51,674
[inaudible].

901
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:54,163
Your family?

902
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:56,420
Doesn't my mom argue just for the sake of it?

903
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:57,500
Oh, come on.

904
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,560
And you're from Tianjin.

905
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,160
I mean,

906
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,540
then you'd have to change professions, right?

907
00:54:04,540 --> 00:54:07,230
How could you act so stupid?

908
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:08,190
What are you filming?

909
00:54:08,190 --> 00:54:08,850
What are you filming?

910
00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:11,600
Just film it.

911
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,620
Someone's coming to see

912
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:13,880
Mm.

913
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,210
[inaudible].

914
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:15,490
Mm.

915
00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:20,840
[inaudible].

916
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Who turns on the main light?

917
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:32,110
[inaudible]

918
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:35,273
Where does this scene end?

919
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:37,650
I think you just haven't done enough filming.

920
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:39,389
In that rented room of yours,

921
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,480
you couldn't come out looking like this.

922
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,020
You're definitely the kind who [inaudible].

923
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:44,940
I haven't edited it yet.

924
00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:45,594
I haven't edited

925
00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:46,700
the first scene yet.

926
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,340
When you walk in from the door

927
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:49,440
You should

928
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,000
Take those things off the wall

929
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Then over here

930
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:52,768
Over here

931
00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:53,950
Look at these things

932
00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:55,350
Just their comments

933
00:54:55,350 --> 00:54:56,910
These, these are their messages

934
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:59,910
Assuming it's us

935
00:54:59,910 --> 00:55:02,020
[inaudible].

936
00:55:02,020 --> 00:55:02,910
Right.

937
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:04,460
That's a little heavy.

938
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:06,508
This is a little heavy.

939
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,960
I mean, you can—you can

940
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,320
on your own

941
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:09,680
comment on his... right,

942
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,400
all of his...

943
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,360
what do you call it,

944
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,380
that love...

945
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:20,030
What was that declaration of love called, or something like that?

946
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:26,450
A declaration of love: 'Love is like eating potato chips.'

947
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:27,641
[inaudible]

948
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:29,339
[inaudible]

949
00:55:29,350 --> 00:55:37,000
The more you eat, the more satisfying it gets.

950
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,140
Anyway, that's what I mean. The main thing is: how does this scene end?

951
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:41,320
How does this part end?

952
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,940
No

953
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:43,140
You should walk over there

954
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:46,100
Then speak before you quickly walk to the bed

955
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:47,180
Then after getting into bed

956
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:48,520
Just rub it

957
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Then just rush out

958
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:50,760
You're still asleep

959
00:55:50,877 --> 00:55:56,210
The music should actually start here, understand? Just tell me when to start.

960
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:56,870
Right, right, right.

961
00:55:56,870 --> 00:56:00,270
Isn't that the sequence? The music starts as soon as the door opens.

962
00:56:00,270 --> 00:56:03,870
Isn't that the musical effect? Is this the overture?

963
00:56:03,870 --> 00:56:08,520
The overture, yes. This is the overture.
